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greetings

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and salutations friends and welcome back

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so today i thought we would cover uh

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some recent news uh which many

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in the ufo community are talking about

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and that is that one time witness

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to uh the

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travis walton abduction mike heston

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rogers

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recently posting a message on facebook

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uh and there's like hundreds of replies

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to it

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which i find interesting um but the post

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reads i

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michael rogers being of sound and

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rational mind you hereby give notice

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that i am no longer to be considered a

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witness to travis

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c walton's supposed abduction of

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november 5th 1975

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and for those who are not

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very familiar with the travis walton

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case

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it's one of the probably the

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between abduction ufo abduction alien

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abduction cases

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i would say the two most popular or

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talked about are the barney and betty

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hill case

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and the travis walton ufo incident

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i'm reading directly from wikipedia here

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and just giving a brief overview of the

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event

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the travis walton incident was an

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alleged alien abduction of american

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forestry worker travis walton

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by a ufo on november 5th 1975

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while he was working in the apache still

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graves national forest

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near snowflake arizona walton was

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missing for five days and six hours

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after days of searching

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with scent dogs and helicopters walton

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he reappeared by the side of the road

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arizona the walton case received

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mainstream publicity and remains one of

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the best known alien abduction stories

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while skeptics consider it a hoax

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walt wrote a book about his proposed

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abduction in 1978 called the walton

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experience which was adapted

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fire in the sky so yeah this is one of

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most talked about most popular alien

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and there's several reasons i think for

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you know the popularity of it having

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a hollywood movie about the event

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certainly popularized him

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to a pretty extreme degree and mr walton

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uh has been making the rounds at ufo

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conferences

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and alien con contact in the desert all

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the biggest conferences

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for decades now i have never covered

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neither provable or disprovable

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and that's a problem with a great number

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the few things that stand out about

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travis walton's case

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is most usually alien abduction people

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uh claim the event took place over

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several hours but mr travis walton's

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and six hours he was gone for five days

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what else can i tell you about the case

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like a lot of these cases this one

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this one has problems first of all

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supporters of the case including travis

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walton are very quick to point out

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the logging crew and travis walton all

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pass lie detector tests

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but that's not quite accurate in fact

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uh the first lie detector test issued

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was issued to mr travis walton arranged

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the national enquirer who had he had

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so anytime you hear travis walton or a

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supporter of his say well he passed lie

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a whole bunch of lie detectors i believe

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but you know we've visited this

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sort of problem that i have with people

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claiming polygraph evidence in the bob

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and you don't just keep taking polygraph

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the results you want you get one shot at

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if you fail you fail you don't just keep

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so uh you know i have a real

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now i'm going to check in with

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i'm going to share mike heston's rogers

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statement here so just bear with me

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friends i'm going to cite fair use even

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though this is a public

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this is a public facebook page and for

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and uh we can get into what changed but

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let's just look at his actual

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his actual statement um

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one second let me see if we can get that

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so friends uh one second let me fix my

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so i michael rogers being of sound and

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rational mind do hereby give notice that

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i am no longer to be considered a

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walton's supposed abduction of november

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5th 1975.

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now it's interesting that mr rogers boy

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mr rogers not that mr rogers this mr

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rogers michael h rogers has written

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he has written a bunch of books related

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supportive evidence of this that mr

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walton's story on multiple occasions

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when uh

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travis walton sold the story or i'm

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sorry accepted the prize from the

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now if we are to assume that this was

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all a hoax just to generate money

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uh that's a motive to me

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additionally uh when travis walton sold

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his story to the national enquirer

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also gave some money to michael rogers

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was that for being a witness and for

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maybe now there is a very extremely long

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the abduction of travis walton

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spaceship and then those guys turned

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though it seems that we get to the meat

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of why mr michael h rogers has suddenly

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had a change of heart and does and no

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longer wants to be associated as a

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witness

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to travis c walton's supposed abduction

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of november 5th 1975.

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and that is that travis walton is making

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a new movie deal

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speculation but one could speculate

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that mr michael h rogers is not very

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happy that he's not getting a piece of

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the next

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movie deal right and suddenly decided

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since he's not getting a piece of the

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he's recanting being a witness

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to this event that he by the way has

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been a witness to this event for decades

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so when it financially suits him to be a

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witness to the event he does

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suddenly travis walton is making side

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deals with new movies

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and not telling mr michael h rogers and

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suddenly he has a problem

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with this situation

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more evidence that this story is

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concocted money money-making scam

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and there is substantial and supportive

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evidence

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yes cal court was here they likely did

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their hoax to get out of wood cutting

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contract you're absolutely right because

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walton's supposed abduction provide the

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in the contract that enabled logging

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contractor mike rogers to avoid costly

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to the crew falling far behind schedule

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in that contract

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more problems with the story many have

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pointed out that walton and rogers could

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have worked together to fool the rest of

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the queue

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easily rigging up some glowing light or

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other prop to make

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the other five think they've seen an

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alien or ufo spaceship

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also a big problem i have with the story

293
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and that is when the walton family is

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faced with embarrassing questions

295
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the entire walton family decided that

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they would only talk to people who did

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not doubt

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the abduction by alien story mr

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travis walton going so far as to

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instruct family members

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to not speak to any members of the media

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until he

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had vetted them and decided whether or

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not

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he and his family would speak to them in

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other words

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if you're kind to my story and you're

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going to tell it my way

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i'll talk to you and give you an

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interview if you're skeptical

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and want to ask very hard important

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questions like why

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travis walton are you claiming you pass

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lie detector test when you failed the

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first one

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given to you right or other

317
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blaringly obvious problems with this

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story if people are going to ask

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questions

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not talk to them

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he will not allow himself to be

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interviewed by highly skeptical people

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asking hard questions never has even

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gone as far

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as to instruct his family to not speak

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to

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any member of the media until he had

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approved

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that they could right that's more than a

330
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little bit

331
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okay victor claro just finished a

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one-hour interview with mike rogers on

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skype

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literally 10 minutes ago yeah so what

335
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what's the gist of uh

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what what is he saying then because in

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this facebook

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posts he is pretty vague like

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are you saying that the event never

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happened oh i didn't say that

341
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are you saying that you the you didn't

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witness the abduction

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we never witnessed an abduction

344
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you know this sort of uh he's talking

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out of both sides of his mouth

346
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the gist that i got from the facebook

347
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the facebook thread though is that he's

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pissed off

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because travis walton is making a new

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movie deal

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and did not share that information with

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him

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so is this situation completely and

354
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totally just

355
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over money why is a guy who's been

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telling the same story for 40 years

357
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suddenly change his story

358
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right after travis walton tries to make

359
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a movie deal and not let him in on that

360
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movie deal

361
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this my friends to me is substantial and

362
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supportive evidence that this is all

363
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a money-making scam right and by the way

364
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:42,639
travis walton how much money does travis

365
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walton

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uh need to make uh i i'm told

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that he got a seven figure deal uh from

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the producer of the hollywood movie

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fire in the sky and of course uh seven

370
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figures that would mean a million

371
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dollars or more

372
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,720
right he's had to have made

373
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probably another million selling his

374
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,710
okay so now victor is saying he just

375
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finished interviewing

376
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he believes the story but it got angry

377
00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:22,400
at travis because he didn't share

378
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book money with him and apparently also

379
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victor there is

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a a hollywood another hollywood movie

381
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deal in the works that he is not going

382
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to be sharing

383
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yes all around arbiter says travis

384
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walton wants to control the narrative

385
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the truth should never fear

386
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:46,080
uh investigation and he shouldn't fear

387
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,360
softball

388
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,360
questions or you mean hardball questions

389
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:51,280
if he's being truthful i agree he should

390
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:52,640
allow himself to be interviewed by

391
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anyone

392
00:17:59,830 --> 00:17:57,840
oh here we go uh kalkwarf chimes in he

393
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:59,840
failed his urine test proving he was not

394
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:00,400
without

395
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,840
food for five days analysis proved that

396
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,200
he had eaten

397
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,440
maybe the aliens gave him some bananas

398
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:09,360
calculus and alien bananas

399
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:12,559
you don't know why why

400
00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:15,280
so skeptical kalkorf maybe the aliens

401
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:16,960
gave him like

402
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:19,440
an alien hungry man dinner maybe they

403
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,080
got

404
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:22,160
the equivalent of a hungry man dinner

405
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:23,919
right

406
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,320
this is extremely suspect to me the

407
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:27,600
whole thing like he

408
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:29,679
is always claims that he went without

409
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:32,000
food and water for five days

410
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:34,000
right uh first of all if you go without

411
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:35,200
water for five days you're probably

412
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:36,480
gonna die

413
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:40,000
right and and again as the story goes he

414
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:41,520
was extremely malnourished and

415
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:44,000
dehydrated when filmed

416
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:47,520
after the aliens dropped him back off

417
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:50,080
um but according to kalkur if the urine

418
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:51,760
test proves that he was not without food

419
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:55,200
for five days so what was he eating

420
00:19:03,430 --> 00:18:59,520
alien food is that compatible with human

421
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:06,789
yeah oh i'm sorry uh victor is

422
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,559
uh is correcting me he got a hundred

423
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:12,480
thousand dollars for the movie fire in

424
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,039
the sky i heard he'd gotten a million

425
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:17,520
uh maybe he got some of the back end and

426
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:19,280
it added up to a million the film did

427
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:20,240
very well victor

428
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,950
victor cagliaro also says the book fire

429
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,320
in the sky sells for forty

430
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,919
five dollars and cost three dollars to

431
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:35,679
make

432
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,480
mike says travis sold two 000 copies i

433
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,240
would venture to guess victor that he

434
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,640
has sold a lot more than 2 000 copies

435
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,480
uh first of all he's been selling that

436
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,880
book on the ufo circuit at every ufo

437
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:48,400
conference he appears at

438
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,000
uh since the 70s so i think he's sold

439
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,400
a hell of a lot more than 2 000 copies

440
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,720
plus now we have things like you know

441
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:58,880
amazon and lulu and all these other

442
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,039
places that you can purchase books

443
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,320
online from very little you know high

444
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,080
profit to the author

445
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,799
uh he was just on joe rogan i betcha his

446
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:10,240
appearance on joe rogan

447
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,360
alone just sold him 2 000 copies

448
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:16,559
uh of that book but again that's opinion

449
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:25,029
says nothing non-earth or unknown showed

450
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:26,320
up in chemical

451
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,630
yeah this is a problem

452
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,799
brock is asking if close encounters are

453
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,880
real so this is a problem when these

454
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,559
storytellers get confronted with

455
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:43,039
actual science right that can disprove

456
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:43,919
them

457
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,039
you know they have a big problem

458
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:50,000
um but back to the subject of lie

459
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:51,440
detectors

460
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,190
back to the subject so i'm reading from

461
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:03,520
an article in skeptic blog by michael

462
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:04,240
schermer

463
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:07,679
you know a well-known ufo skeptic

464
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,480
okay so it says although walton passed a

465
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,640
polygraph test arranged by a ufo

466
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,240
organization

467
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,039
uh he's talking about philip class phil

468
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,799
class learned that walton dictated to

469
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,640
the examiner what questions

470
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,720
would be asked further investigation by

471
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,159
class led him

472
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,400
to an earlier unpublished polygraph test

473
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,720
of walton conducted by jack mccarthy one

474
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:30,080
of the top eight polygraph

475
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,590
mccarthy gave class as a set his

476
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:37,440
assessment of walton's story gross

477
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,480
deception

478
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:41,039
he added that walton employed polygraph

479
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,000
countermeasures

480
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,440
such as holding his breath

481
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,320
now 33 years later and this article is

482
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,400
quite old it's from 2008

483
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,320
walton was once again in the polygraph

484
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,919
hot seat

485
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,480
his affirmative answer to my question

486
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:58,240
passed the truth test because of course

487
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,559
walt

488
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,159
believes he has evidence in the form of

489
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,600
his friend's corroborative

490
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,000
story the next question for a hundred

491
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,600
thousand dollars was

492
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,320
refreshingly straightforward uh and this

493
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:10,640
is from a television show

494
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:13,840
uh that took place uh of course

495
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,200
at the moment of truth television show

496
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,360
uh and they offer they basically offered

497
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:20,799
him a million dollar prize

498
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:24,000
and he uh failed

499
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,760
so the next question for a hundred

500
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,600
thousand dollars was refreshingly

501
00:22:31,149 --> 00:22:29,760
straightforward were you abducted by a

502
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:31,159
ufo on november 5th

503
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,240
1975 without hesitation

504
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,640
travis walton parked yes but the voice

505
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:38,720
in the sky once again boomed

506
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:41,840
that answer is false i couldn't believe

507
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:42,080
it

508
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,480
faster than a crashed flying saucer

509
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,880
at last after a best-selling book and

510
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:50,799
popular film about his abduction fire in

511
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,360
the sky

512
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,280
after countless ufo conferences and

513
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,760
media appearances it took a fox reality

514
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,440
television show to bring a case to a

515
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:59,120
head

516
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,480
what does this mean to be fair and

517
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:02,080
balanced probably nothing because

518
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,310
yeah and travis walton says i would not

519
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,159
normally have ever agreed to be such

520
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,640
on such a show after my fellow crewman

521
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,320
and i passed polygraph tests from the

522
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,280
arizona state police polygraph examiner

523
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,039
i wrote in my book that i was done

524
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,600
addressing that aspect of it

525
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:26,400
and travis walton goes on to claim that

526
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,720
they

527
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,840
used deceptive practices to administer

528
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,600
the test and that no other polygraph

529
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,000
examiner would agree with their methods

530
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,120
and again you know he got caught

531
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,520
he failed on national television he

532
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,200
failed a polygraph with a very simple

533
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:43,360
question where he was abducted by a ufo

534
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,559
in 1975

535
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:47,120
he said yes the polygraph examiner

536
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:47,760
determined

537
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:50,880
that was a lie and now

538
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,679
after claiming about you know he's been

539
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,279
talking he's been talking about the

540
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,559
reliability

541
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,960
you know how important his polygraph

542
00:24:01,269 --> 00:24:00,320
evidence is he passed all these

543
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,279
polygraphs

544
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,640
right then when he fails a polygraph he

545
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,840
starts talking about how

546
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,480
unreliable polygraph exams are and how

547
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,159
they're not admissible in court

548
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:13,120
right so again this is the double speak

549
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,480
of one of these grifters

550
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,760
as i see it is when the evidence

551
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,200
supports my [\h__\h]

552
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,600
i'm going to say how great it is and

553
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,200
when the same exact

554
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,480
method of obtaining evidence proves me a

555
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,400
liar i'm going to say that's not good

556
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,559
evidence that's unreliable

557
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,880
this is why i've never covered this uh

558
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,120
event it's because we can't really

559
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:37,200
you know oh he passed polygraphs well he

560
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:38,400
failed a few

561
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:58,830
right

562
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,750
so brock landers believes that walton

563
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:03,840
was taken by a human

564
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,279
e.t a hybrid human e.t group while he

565
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,640
did

566
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,520
claim that he saw gray type aliens and

567
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:12,960
nordic or human type

568
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:21,029
yes travis and roger staged it and the

569
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,919
others were first

570
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,760
innocent witness to the light behind

571
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:25,600
trees yeah all they saw was a light in

572
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:26,000
the

573
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:31,520
travis walton get hit by a beam of light

574
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,400
and fall down

575
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,159
and then they ran away because that's

576
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,919
what you do when your friend is being

577
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,600
attacked by aliens in the middle of a

578
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,640
forest

579
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,720
you hightail it out of there later they

580
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,640
went back right

581
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,960
uh and one of the other indicators that

582
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,640
the the story is

583
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,200
false and made up garbage is that travis

584
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,640
walton's own mother

585
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,279
was completely unconcerned with his

586
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,640
disappearance

587
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,880
stating that the aliens would not harm

588
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,320
him

589
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,880
i don't know about you uh but if a bunch

590
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,799
of my friends went and told my mom that

591
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,520
an alien ufo flying saucer

592
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,600
you know shot a light beam at me and

593
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,159
then abducted me and i disappeared my

594
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,840
mother would be a little concerned if

595
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,000
i'd been gone for five days

596
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,520
his mother not at all concerned

597
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,520
maybe they let her in on it i'm gonna go

598
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,000
hi people have speculated about this for

599
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,559
quite some time travis walton uh i'll

600
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,000
give him this much credit he was an

601
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,080
outdoorsman a woodsman right he

602
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,960
he was a lager you mean to tell me that

603
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,559
a logger couldn't go

604
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:35,120
you know bush camp for five days in the

605
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,400
woods and not be found

606
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,039
of course he could you know that was the

607
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,720
other piece of evidence while the

608
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,320
the police had dogs and they weren't

609
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,480
able to find him you know how easy it is

610
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,679
to break the scent

611
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:48,240
of a dog you walk through a creek the

612
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:50,840
dog can't find your scent after that

613
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:54,640
right it's not hard to evade

614
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,840
scent dogs that's not evidence

615
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,159
right that's not evidence that he was in

616
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:02,320
an alien spaceship for five days but

617
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,200
people will

618
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,360
throw that out there well the police had

619
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,400
dogs they had

620
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,320
they couldn't find him right they

621
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,400
totally lost his scent

622
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,960
okay there's a hundred explanations for

623
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:14,080
that that don't involve

624
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,510
well i did not know this so victor

625
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,760
conliero offered him money for

626
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,760
the interview and he refused we're

627
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:29,520
talking about mike rogers so give him

628
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,399
props for that

629
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,399
yeah i'm gonna if you could get me his

630
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,159
contact information besides facebook

631
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:35,679
victor we'd like to have him come on

632
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,430
wow so there you go mike says though

633
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,960
that he won't say that travis was

634
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,960
abducted and he has no proof of that but

635
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,960
that's definitely a change in his story

636
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:51,120
because he was an ardent supporter of

637
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:51,840
the

638
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,399
money victor while he was getting cut in

639
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:58,080
on the money he was right there to help

640
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,120
support the story

641
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:01,360
and it looks to me that this whole

642
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,159
situation

643
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:05,120
victor is now about money he's getting

644
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,480
cut out of the new

645
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,799
money for the new uh new hollywood

646
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,120
remake of fire in the sky i suppose or

647
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:12,880
they'll call it something else

648
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,679
um and he's not happy right

649
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,080
apparently it would appear to me that if

650
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,600
he was still cutting on the money he

651
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,120
would have never changed his story or

652
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,520
come out with this so this is

653
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,760
to me this is evidence of this being a

654
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:29,360
fabrication

655
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:33,200
and a manufactured story to generate

656
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,950
i didn't know he ever did that travis is

657
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:42,559
a fraud as he went on third phase

658
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,320
moon big go reputation gone yeah

659
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,960
and i think i'm gonna share my uh fair

660
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:50,880
use banner here and we're gonna

661
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:53,679
listen in on a little bit of his travis

662
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,870
so we'll be sharing a video we'll be

663
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,640
critiquing and discussing a video this

664
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,399
is a transformative work we're educating

665
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,840
the public and we'll be

666
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,080
discussing and critiquing the video

667
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:07,919
we're sharing and this is covered by

668
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:10,960
fair use and allowable by law

669
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:26,870
okay one second friends bear with me

670
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:30,080
this is travis walton the world's most

671
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:30,799
famous

672
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:37,110
the story he's about to tell me will

673
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:37,679
blow

674
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,149
i'm jonathan legg on a road less

675
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:46,000
traveled adventure in the mysterious

676
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:46,799
state of

677
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:50,880
arizona i visited biosphere 2

678
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:54,159
outside of tucson a self-contained mini

679
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,799
world

680
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,440
that replicates our planet a trip to

681
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,520
meteor crater suggests that we might

682
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:02,000
need to build these biospheres on mars

683
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,919
to save our race if the big one comes

684
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:08,080
but arizona gets more than just rocks

685
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,279
from space

686
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,480
the mutual ufo network has catalogued a

687
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:15,600
heap of strange occurrences but none

688
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,559
stranger

689
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,120
than the story i'm about to hear from

690
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,039
this man

691
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,679
travis you came to just down the road

692
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:26,960
here

693
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,320
from your experience yeah and you come

694
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:31,760
to consciousness and what do you

695
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,399
remember

696
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,360
well i woke up and it was cold out there

697
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,399
and

698
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,279
uh i came pretty clear-headed

699
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:40,880
immediately but there was a light above

700
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,279
me

701
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:43,200
and i looked look see where that light

702
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,399
was coming from

703
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,480
but it went off just as i shifted my

704
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,000
gaze in that direction

705
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,679
but i could see the bomb and interesting

706
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,600
that the town that looks like a diner

707
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,960
that they showed

708
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,120
is all in on the aliens they've got an

709
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:57,440
alien on the roof and a showroom inside

710
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,320
about the event

711
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,440
so it's always interesting to me

712
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,880
when these people try to profit from

713
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,480
these stories it's not just them

714
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,480
profiting it's everybody around them

715
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,840
if they can make a buck they're going to

716
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,679
make a buck it's in the middle of

717
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,679
arizona in the middle of nowhere

718
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,080
they got nothing going on but people

719
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:16,320
visit the site because of this story

720
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,399
bottom of this craft that in the dark

721
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,640
hovering there for just a second before

722
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,960
it shot up into the sky

723
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,880
travis walton claims he was abducted by

724
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,880
aliens while clearing brush in the

725
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,760
forest

726
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,159
he was with a team who all support his

727
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,000
story

728
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,799
now did you always feel like i know what

729
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,679
happened

730
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,840
i was abducted or did you go through a

731
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:41,440
period of time where you thought

732
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,799
am i crazy did i consume some

733
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,840
weird mushroom in the forest or well

734
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,120
before i had any contact with my

735
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,880
crewmates

736
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,799
the sheriff was putting out this theory

737
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,240
that the crew might have slipped me

738
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:58,000
drugs or hit me over the head or

739
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,880
something and

740
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,679
caused some kind of delusion but once i

741
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,760
found out that they had seen what i'd

742
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,640
seen

743
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,200
you know then there was no doubt i had

744
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:08,960
medical tests that proved there were no

745
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,080
drugs in my body and yeah i don't know

746
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,440
about that and also

747
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,440
it's interesting how quickly the

748
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:17,279
narrative is going to change now because

749
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,760
now

750
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:19,679
at least one member of this logging

751
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:22,720
party is not in support of his story

752
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,919
and additionally i think it's kind of

753
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,799
telling uh that he's gonna cite the

754
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,960
medical tests that support his

755
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:33,039
story right like oh i didn't have any

756
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,159
drugs in my system

757
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,919
but the same medical tests proved that

758
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,919
you did have food during that five-day

759
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,279
period you claimed

760
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,519
you went without food and water and i've

761
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,279
talked to the folks around town they say

762
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,120
not one of you in your group

763
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:47,279
has ever changed your story you've

764
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:48,640
passed multiple

765
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,760
polygraphs yeah and of course he's not

766
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,880
going to mention

767
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,399
that he's also failed multiple

768
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,559
polygraphs you know

769
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,799
this is how these stories are framed and

770
00:33:00,789 --> 00:33:00,480
again he's only sitting down with this

771
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:00,799
guy

772
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,000
asking him hardball questions

773
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,279
or if this guy did a

774
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,919
google search level of research he would

775
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:13,840
have found that travis walton failed

776
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,399
several

777
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:17,039
polygraph tasks and asked him about it

778
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,679
to me

779
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:19,360
that's a responsibility of a good

780
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,799
interviewer uh

781
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,640
i should mention that i have reached out

782
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,080
to mr walton on

783
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,080
three different occasions requesting an

784
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,960
interview and each time got ignored

785
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,279
uh take from that what you will but in

786
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:32,559
full disclosure

787
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,760
uh i want to mention that i passed five

788
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,080
tests from three different examiners

789
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:40,399
travis agrees to take me to the spot of

790
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,519
his abduction

791
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:44,320
deep in the forest so the craft was

792
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,880
actually right

793
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,840
right over here yeah like the crest of

794
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,399
the ridge

795
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,559
did you come you crept up and you kind

796
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:52,000
of crouched down to get a look at what

797
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,799
was going on

798
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,960
yeah well it was up at an angle like

799
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,880
this and those guys were

800
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,799
really getting really anxious and

801
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,480
screaming at me and everything

802
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:03,039
and then when it suddenly got louder and

803
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,240
started to move

804
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,320
i jumped for cover and the only cover

805
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,000
was this log that was sticking up there

806
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,839
and i got down behind the log

807
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,320
and then when i stood up to run back bam

808
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,159
that's when it hit me

809
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:16,000
do you remember that blast as the space

810
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:17,359
ship took off

811
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,960
no i i just felt this numbing shock

812
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,800
and uh next thing you know you wake up

813
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,639
you're on the ship yeah

814
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:26,960
travis goes on to show me strange growth

815
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:30,480
rings on the trees around the ufo site

816
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:33,440
when it comes to getting a mortgage

817
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:45,909
let's try that again

818
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,149
oh you know that's the end of the video

819
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,839
um sorry that was just a clip

820
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,440
that we were sharing so there's strange

821
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,280
growth rings in the trees i've seen

822
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,560
growth rings like that

823
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,800
in uh multiple trees there's nothing

824
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:58,160
strange about them

825
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,000
um this is again more you know

826
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,800
let's tackle on some [\h__\h] to try to

827
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:06,880
tell our story

828
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,000
it doesn't it doesn't offer any you know

829
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,160
it's not like they have scientific

830
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:14,320
studies of those trees to determine that

831
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,880
there was some

832
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,720
alien thing that caused them to grow

833
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,520
weird no it's just his

834
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,680
look there's strange growth rings on the

835
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,440
trees really

836
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,520
okay let's have an arborist look at it

837
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,720
and tell us that that's out of the

838
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,079
ordinary

839
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:30,640
um but they don't do that they never do

840
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,109
uh bailey stoner yeah i mean you know

841
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,800
i've read a lot of different

842
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,359
stories she's asking if there are any

843
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,040
abduction stories you actually believe

844
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,160
well before kalkorf i believe that betty

845
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,599
and barney hill

846
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,320
but after calculus not so much the star

847
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,079
map falls apart

848
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,200
um you know and they too

849
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,000
got paid for uh television movies being

850
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,440
made about their experience

851
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:04,800
books their niece is still writing books

852
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,440
about them

853
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,880
and profiting so you know

854
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,400
a lot of these things just come down to

855
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,160
profit i of course

856
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,320
have read a lot about whitley streiber's

857
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,320
experiences which i don't find very

858
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:18,079
credible because he keeps tacking on new

859
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,200
ones

860
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,960
you know as time goes on he needs to

861
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:22,800
write another book and suddenly he has

862
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,880
new experience with an alien

863
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:29,280
do i believe that some are credible yes

864
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,920
uh

865
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,560
and i certainly believe that some people

866
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,720
having abduction experiences believe

867
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,040
that their experiences are genuine and

868
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:38,560
alien related

869
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,480
and they are not uh manufacturing

870
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,119
the story they at least believe this

871
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:47,520
that their story is true

872
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,630
but it's interesting to me to see that

873
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,720
even all the evidence that we talked

874
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:58,160
about tonight that the story is a

875
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,040
fabrication

876
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,160
people still believed it and maybe now

877
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,920
though with this other person coming

878
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,000
out and sort of recanting his story but

879
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,079
is he really recanting his story or is

880
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:10,000
he just saying i'm no longer going to

881
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:11,359
help

882
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,079
the story if

883
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,160
i am no longer going to profit from it

884
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,760
isn't it funny how that works while he

885
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,520
was profiting from travis walton's

886
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,400
stories

887
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,160
he was fine with supporting travis

888
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:26,000
walton's claim of being abducted by

889
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,960
aliens

890
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,800
but suddenly when he's cut out of the

891
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:31,040
money he's no longer comfortable

892
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:32,320
supporting his story

893
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,680
and he's being very vague about uh

894
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,920
you know do you still believe he was

895
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:38,880
abducted

896
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,240
believe him

897
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:46,000
uh that's not for me to say right

898
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,440
it's it's very wishy-washy kalkwarf here

899
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,880
in the facebook live

900
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,960
uh comments says he's stephen just an

901
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,720
fyi but an expose on the wall

902
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,560
fraud is being added to the ufology full

903
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,760
easy series ufo cop it's part of wave

904
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,800
2 which includes the lazar expose

905
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,040
seven more titles be in touch soon i'll

906
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:06,480
tell melissa you said hello

907
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,599
yeah good do that

908
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,440
okay so i'll turn my attention to the

909
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:22,720
live chat

910
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,640
um brandon says the most credible

911
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:29,440
uh are the astronauts yeah i find them

912
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:29,839
uh

913
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,960
to be pretty pretty believable right and

914
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,720
edgar mitchell was a big believer in all

915
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:36,320
this stuff he believed that roswell

916
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,359
really happened

917
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,640
uh and a lot of things bailey stoner

918
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,599
mentions that

919
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:44,640
uh mk trickery may be involved

920
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,920
let me get your first comment there

921
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,760
whether there are actually aliens there

922
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,760
i think so

923
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,599
but it's more rare than even honest

924
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:53,599
people thinking they saw them

925
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,800
and the rest are mk ultra trickery

926
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,320
yeah i'm not sure that i believe that

927
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,599
the government will go through the

928
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,560
expense of

929
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:03,119
trying to fake alien abductions as many

930
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,320
people including dr

931
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,040
stephen greer and others have asserted

932
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:09,520
i'm not sure that that's a valid

933
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:13,280
real reality right i just

934
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,640
i don't know our government has done

935
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,359
some pretty crazy things though

936
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,680
uh look up operation midnight climax

937
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,200
that's one of my favorite ones where

938
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,040
they got hookers to dose

939
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,520
guys with high levels of lsd just to see

940
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:28,800
what would happen

941
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,400
right uh but to go then from that

942
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,990
let's let's trick these people into

943
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,000
thinking that aliens are abducting them

944
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,359
and if you listen to grier it gets

945
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,520
ridiculous they have biomechanical

946
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:46,000
androids that look like aliens and

947
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,920
act like aliens right michelangelo

948
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:52,640
says strider stories are a convoluted

949
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,040
mess

950
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,920
yeah when you take them if you just read

951
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,800
communion

952
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,000
it's pretty good story but then if you

953
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,440
you've got to follow up and you've got

954
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,040
to read all the other books that he

955
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,119
wrote after communion was such a huge

956
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,480
commercial success

957
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,880
and he literally has made millions from

958
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,000
that book

959
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,079
right so of course he comes out with

960
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,319
sequels to the book with all new alien

961
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,760
experiences that he had

962
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,400
after he wrote the first book to me

963
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,560
that's incredibly convenient

964
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,240
and it's also interesting that whitley

965
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,079
striver was a very well known

966
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,680
uh fiction writer and even wrote

967
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,640
hollywood screenplays like the howling

968
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:33,680
uh werewolf movie that was

969
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,280
whitley streiber he's a writer he

970
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,760
makes stories for a living and to me

971
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,119
maybe this is just

972
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:44,400
a story to sell books uh

973
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,680
yeah ron patton says beware the painful

974
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,400
and torturous

975
00:41:03,190 --> 00:40:51,680
alien anal probe it will cause ptsd and

976
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,950
bailey stoner says the government isn't

977
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,440
faking aliens via lsd experimentation

978
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:08,560
then i am a real

979
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,560
abductee maybe

980
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,359
and j roach chimes in and says aerial

981
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,880
school encounter still to this day has

982
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,640
kept me a believer that's a great

983
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,400
we're going to cover that here j roach i

984
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:22,079
just have

985
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:26,079
um i've got a whole folder of stuff on

986
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,040
that aerial

987
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,400
school encounter for those that don't

988
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,480
know in africa uh

989
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,800
a bunch of children saw aliens land in a

990
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,160
spaceship and get out

991
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,880
and interact it with them and they've

992
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,280
all

993
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,440
stuck to their story the teachers as

994
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:40,800
well

995
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,910
that years later decades later

996
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,760
those witnesses still believe that what

997
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:54,079
they saw was an alien spacecraft and and

998
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:57,760
aliens don craig's face says whitley is

999
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,720
a drama queen

1000
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,800
i tried to interview him he didn't uh

1001
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,599
return my calls or

1002
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,319
yeah and you know what i try to not hold

1003
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,400
it against people when they won't

1004
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,839
agree to an interview because i know

1005
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:11,680
it's time and we're not a huge show here

1006
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,079
so

1007
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,440
but i do a little bit a little bit i do

1008
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:17,119
i'm like [\h__\h] that guy

1009
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,550
bailey stoner says if you give me the

1010
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,000
story that the government abducted me

1011
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,240
for some unknown reason or gave me drugs

1012
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,160
versus the story that aliens abduct me

1013
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,079
the first is more likely

1014
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,680
yeah occam's razor i suppose

1015
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,240
brandon also mentions the 1942 battle of

1016
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:44,960
los angeles i like that case as well

1017
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:55,349
think it's more likely that that was uh

1018
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:58,630
a japanese balloon bomb because we heard

1019
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,000
about japanese balloon bombs later

1020
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:05,599
uh or something like that right

1021
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,599
something terrestrial and not alien yet

1022
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,680
if it was a balloon that doesn't make

1023
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,040
sense either because these

1024
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,839
the military fired at it many many times

1025
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,440
and were unable to bring it down if it

1026
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,880
was simply a balloon they would have

1027
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,359
easily been able to bring a balloon down

1028
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:23,920
which is one of those cases that's why

1029
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:24,480
people think

1030
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,839
must have been an alien because they

1031
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:27,200
were shooting like hell at it and they

1032
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,270
victor says i don't believe the walton

1033
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,880
story but has an interesting interview

1034
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,720
with mike rogers particularly discussion

1035
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,400
about the dynamics between people

1036
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,160
involved in the walton story

1037
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:43,040
yeah i mean it's interesting that some

1038
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,160
of these guys

1039
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:47,680
uh you know still support his story but

1040
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,040
i the first question i would ask uh

1041
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,520
mr walton is how much money is he given

1042
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,520
to those other witnesses over the years

1043
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,400
of his story and if he's given any money

1044
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,680
to them why

1045
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,160
right is it so that they keep helping

1046
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,079
you sell the story

1047
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,839
to me that would be the only explanation

1048
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:09,440
right

1049
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,040
makes no sense to me why

1050
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:16,160
they gotta split all the money unless he

1051
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,150
all right and just uh just some shout

1052
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:25,520
outs we've got victor

1053
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,880
uh clero here cal corfus here the out

1054
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:30,800
there channel is here

1055
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:34,240
sudo lukian is here uh

1056
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:38,400
steph is here brock landers is here

1057
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,589
uh i'm trying to see who else who did i

1058
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,760
miss all around arbiter is here eileen

1059
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,960
ebony

1060
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,680
is here and says hello i thought the

1061
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,720
waltons

1062
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,119
travis walton was the real thing yeah i

1063
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,040
did for a while as well

1064
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,119
uh but i no longer believe that shout

1065
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:00,640
out to cv

1066
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,160
lindo parado shout out to jay roach

1067
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:07,440
is here uh

1068
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,520
shout out to brandon gt is here

1069
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,560
shout out to judy jaeger is here shout

1070
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,560
out to andrew masonette

1071
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,200
is here let's see if i missed anybody if

1072
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,640
i missed anybody let me know in a live

1073
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,200
chat oh michael angelo is here

1074
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:26,319
kenny smith is here the don craze phase

1075
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,000
is here uh yeah so we've got a full on

1076
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,280
uh great audience tonight

1077
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:35,200
uh which is surprising this is a rare

1078
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:36,480
late show and that's

1079
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:39,920
uh uh my wife says it's my fault

1080
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,119
my kids were they had the crazies

1081
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,119
i have a four and eight-year-old son and

1082
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,800
sometimes they just get the crazies and

1083
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,160
they're going to run around screaming

1084
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:50,000
and laughing

1085
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,440
and they did that for a few hours

1086
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,040
tonight and i tried to wait it out

1087
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,520
and i fell asleep while waiting it out

1088
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,960
so

1089
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,200
eventually they tired themselves out and

1090
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,880
i could do a show without

1091
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,200
the sound of a circus in the background

1092
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,880
you know sometimes i'm at the mercy of

1093
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,760
my children

1094
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,839
here and i can just do the show when i

1095
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,480
can do the show

1096
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,560
so that's what happened today which is

1097
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,400
the reason for

1098
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,000
uh the late late show we started at

1099
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,319
midnight here today

1100
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,839
i'm not sure if i mentioned the shout

1101
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,160
out to michelangelo is here

1102
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,520
i think i got everybody with a shout out

1103
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:28,000
so there

1104
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,000
you go uh

1105
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,079
yeah so it's interesting to me that this

1106
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,680
guy is changing his story

1107
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,480
and it's really clear at least to me and

1108
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,640
i know that's speculation but come on

1109
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,480
suddenly he gets cut out of a movie deal

1110
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,800
he no longer wants to be a witness

1111
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,280
right that's convenient it's like hey

1112
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,640
bro

1113
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,560
you cut me out of the money so i'm not

1114
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,440
helping you sell this story anymore

1115
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,800
and that is the gist of what i would say

1116
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:58,720
happened here in this situation with a

1117
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,200
guest

1118
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,680
or i'm sorry with a long time witness to

1119
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,280
the event suddenly

1120
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,640
changing his tune pbr street gang

1121
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,400
is here shout out to pbr street gang

1122
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,880
striver was on heather wage

1123
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,720
radio show and i called and told him to

1124
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,400
find a new hobby and he went off for

1125
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,480
like five minutes oh i gotta find a clip

1126
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,400
of that pbr street gang i would like to

1127
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,760
see that

1128
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,839
renee miss jonasside is here shout out

1129
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:23,680
to her name miss genocide saying just

1130
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,000
saw

1131
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,079
this yeah we're doing a rare late show

1132
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:27,760
because my children were nutty

1133
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,920
and screaming earlier and uh

1134
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:34,000
sometimes miss jones signed i just know

1135
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:34,960
to let him go

1136
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,599
like i'm not gonna because if i don't i

1137
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,400
get upset

1138
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,079
like come on i gotta do a show you just

1139
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,359
gotta calm down and then they don't

1140
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,280
you know they'll go to another room but

1141
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:47,359
get even louder

1142
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,559
so i just i'm at the mercy of children

1143
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:52,000
here i just give up i just go

1144
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,520
okay well they're gonna tie they're

1145
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,280
gonna tire themselves out and

1146
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,440
you know fall asleep eventually and i'll

1147
00:48:03,670 --> 00:47:58,800
do the show then

1148
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,309
sounds of the circus or you know people

1149
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,440
being tortured

1150
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:09,280
in the room next to where i'm doing the

1151
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:16,150
angela says uh heather wade is rotten

1152
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,200
i'm not sure

1153
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,400
i don't think i'm a fan i think i uh

1154
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,640
have encountered her work a few times

1155
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,720
and was less than impressed

1156
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:26,400
but i may be confusing her with somebody

1157
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,030
bailey stoner am i the only one who

1158
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,559
thinks mufon feels like some kind of

1159
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:38,480
federal op my experience with them is

1160
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,359
really weird

1161
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,559
not a fan of uh of mufon there have been

1162
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,640
several investigators who said we've got

1163
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,160
material can we get

1164
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,400
this material it mufon wasn't even

1165
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,680
interested

1166
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,280
they didn't want to provide the funds

1167
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,640
they no we don't want to test that

1168
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:54,240
material that may have come from an

1169
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,839
alien spacecraft

1170
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:58,079
come on your whole thing is to

1171
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,920
investigate these things why would you

1172
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,839
ignore an investigator who's telling you

1173
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,960
that he has

1174
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,800
crash materials and can we get them

1175
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,359
tested they ignored him

1176
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:09,359
and i think that speaks volume that and

1177
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,400
their uh

1178
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,599
you know the guy who runs that

1179
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:13,680
organization getting popped

1180
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:17,200
for what was it solicitation of a minor

1181
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:18,079
for sex

1182
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,990
paul cargo is here shout out to paul

1183
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,559
cargo logging is hardcore and dangerous

1184
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,319
and i do not believe five ladders would

1185
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,920
leave their co-worker for dead

1186
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,839
at least one would have wanted to help

1187
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,760
yeah i agree with you

1188
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,400
you don't leave your bro in the in the

1189
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:39,599
in a forest

1190
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,839
to die you somebody would have did

1191
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,800
something

1192
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,200
i think mufon is actually trying to get

1193
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,960
info on who abductees are

1194
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,800
and not get info on the actual event

1195
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,400
they have been caught suppressing useful

1196
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,440
information

1197
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:56,559
or bailly stoner they've been caught

1198
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:00,240
selling the information to bob bigelow

1199
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,720
and the reports we're supposed to get

1200
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,599
the reports we're supposed to get were

1201
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,040
supposed to be confidential so when

1202
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,960
people gave their story to mufon it was

1203
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,240
supposed to be confidential

1204
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,119
they sold those confidential reports to

1205
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:16,480
bob bigelow

1206
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,599
not to be trusted posmar

1207
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,440
shout out to postmark asks where can i

1208
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:23,119
read the news about the travis walton

1209
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,000
witness well

1210
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:27,520
uh uh we covered pretty well today

1211
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,040
there's not much to say or you can go

1212
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:34,000
on facebook and just look up mike heston

1213
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:35,200
rogers

1214
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,480
r-o-g-e-r-s

1215
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:42,480
and he's got a public profile and you

1216
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:43,599
can

1217
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,040
read the thread which will probably

1218
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,720
leave you about as confused as i was

1219
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:50,319
after reading the entire thing because

1220
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,960
it's just

1221
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,960
he's very wishy-washy and he goes back

1222
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,079
and forth whether he

1223
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,880
still supports the story or not uh

1224
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
whether he believes

1225
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,400
travis walton was abducted by aliens or

1226
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,440
not it's very wishy-washy at this point

1227
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,680
maybe this is a negotiation tactic and

1228
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,760
suddenly mr michael h rogers will have

1229
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,359
another change of heart

1230
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,599
after he and travis talk about the money

1231
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,280
right let's talk about money

1232
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,680
mr travis walton before i support your

1233
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,240
[\h__\h] story for another 10 years

1234
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:20,319
right maybe he's got to get the money

1235
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,950
brandon says what spooky is billions of

1236
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:31,040
ufo sightings but they won't communicate

1237
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:32,480
no radio contact

1238
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,359
yeah that is strange um

1239
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,040
but then some have communicated right

1240
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,040
we're attempting to communicate and if

1241
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,720
we already believe some of these alien

1242
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,559
contact these stories

1243
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:49,680
you know they pick special people

1244
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,520
and to talk to um but it's funny to me

1245
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:55,040
that a lot of those people

1246
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,079
you know when you look into their

1247
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,240
background or former criminals right

1248
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:00,559
like why do aliens love criminals right

1249
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,839
why does the secret space program love

1250
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,559
criminals right

1251
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:07,839
pedophiles murderers right

1252
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,359
burglars right why why does the secret

1253
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,720
space program

1254
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,359
always pick criminals to be a part of

1255
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,200
the secret space force

1256
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,760
right that's a little suspect to me

1257
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,880
right

1258
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,800
and there have been many different

1259
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,800
examples of these people making up these

1260
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:26,319
stories where when you look into their

1261
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,359
background

1262
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,839
you know for example one was a i don't

1263
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,599
want to say convicted pedophile he was a

1264
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:32,880
court-martialed

1265
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,880
while he was in the service for sex with

1266
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:39,839
an underage

1267
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:45,200
it's been a while since i looked at

1268
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,800
those court documents so forgive me if

1269
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,400
i'm misspeaking

1270
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,960
uh and then we have mark richards who's

1271
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:52,960
being touted by carrie cassidy

1272
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,319
is in prison for murdering someone and

1273
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,240
has been in prison for murdering someone

1274
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,480
for 35 years right

1275
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,480
but he's a member of the secret space

1276
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:04,000
program right

1277
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:07,520
and there are other examples of people

1278
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:10,640
with less than trustworthy backgrounds

1279
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,960
right

1280
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,720
who have criminal convictions in their

1281
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,640
past that suddenly decided that they

1282
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,160
were a member of the secret space

1283
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:18,480
program and went on space missions

1284
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,839
right and fought space aliens right

1285
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:24,720
why does the secret space program love

1286
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,839
criminals

1287
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,119
right but if you talk to a believer

1288
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,640
they'll go well that's so they can be

1289
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,079
discredited when they

1290
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,599
if they tell their stories okay and

1291
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:38,079
yeah and the same thing like bob lazar

1292
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:38,960
he's a

1293
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,520
staff level physicist but one day he

1294
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,119
just woke up and say

1295
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,359
and said you know what this science

1296
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:48,800
stuff is boring you know what i'm going

1297
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,280
to do

1298
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,839
i'm going to open a whorehouse right i'm

1299
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,280
just going to open a whorehouse because

1300
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,359
that's what scientists do is open

1301
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,440
warehouses right

1302
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,599
hey i guess scientists love [\h__\h] as

1303
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:00,960
much as the next guy

1304
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:03,680
right so bob lazar one day just decided

1305
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:04,400
he was gonna go

1306
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:07,839
partners right with a madam

1307
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:11,520
and and you know run a warehouse

1308
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,390
yeah so a lot of these people that are

1309
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,319
out there trying to profit from stories

1310
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,599
surrounding aliens

1311
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,680
the secret space program alien

1312
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,280
abductions

1313
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,240
are criminals literal criminals right

1314
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,760
and and by the way i'm not saying that

1315
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,599
about travis walton near as i can tell

1316
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,280
travis walton does not have any criminal

1317
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,280
convictions that i'm aware of

1318
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,640
uh i'm just saying that there is a

1319
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,799
large percentage of these people telling

1320
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,240
these alien stories

1321
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,839
that when you do look into their

1322
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:45,280
background you find out that there's

1323
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,079
some form of

1324
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,359
criminality in their in their past and

1325
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:51,920
in some cases in their very recent past

1326
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:57,190
i don't think that that uh is a

1327
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,000
coincidence

1328
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,079
and in fact i think that is an

1329
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,520
indictment against

1330
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,319
this whole field that so many of these

1331
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,319
people are criminals and allowed to

1332
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,240
profit like you want to

1333
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,920
you want to be booked at a ufo

1334
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,440
conference even though

1335
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:14,720
you know we know that you're a pedophile

1336
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:18,240
sure sure we'll book you we'll give you

1337
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,760
speaking fee we'll let you sell your

1338
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,040
books at our conferences

1339
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,799
even though we know that you molest

1340
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,240
children

1341
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,280
right and uh well

1342
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:29,119
wendell stevens is the most famous case

1343
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,319
of that

1344
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,240
everybody knew that wendell stevens was

1345
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,480
a twice convicted pedophile everybody

1346
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,680
knew

1347
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,680
why i want to say everybody most in the

1348
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,680
ufo community knew that he was a twice

1349
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,880
convicted pedophile

1350
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,280
people booked him for conferences people

1351
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,680
paid him to be in documentaries

1352
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,640
give speeches about ufos and aliens

1353
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:49,680
anyway

1354
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,720
and i'm sorry but a convicted criminal

1355
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:54,960
is not trustworthy right and you know

1356
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,680
who is even less trustworthy a convicted

1357
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,079
pedophile

1358
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:02,000
can't even trust the kid the guy around

1359
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:03,280
kids you're gonna trust him

1360
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:06,559
telling stories about aliens right

1361
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,589
yeah uh somebody's mentioning david

1362
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,040
jacobs books

1363
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,280
not sure but do not automatically

1364
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:21,119
disbelieve him he is adamant about his

1365
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,599
angle

1366
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,200
yeah according to him the aliens are

1367
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,480
taking over earth don craig's face

1368
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,440
what are we going to do and dolan's

1369
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,119
throwing out these

1370
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:33,760
you know [\h__\h] come on richard dolan

1371
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:37,200
with your clickbait garbage

1372
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,400
the earth will be theirs this world will

1373
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:42,400
be theirs that's what dolan is pushing

1374
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,119
that guy

1375
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,720
right because he got an interview with

1376
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,960
him i can't get an interview with that

1377
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,079
guy even though we're both from

1378
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,839
philadelphia right i would think you

1379
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,400
would help a fellow philadelphia nail

1380
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:54,480
and give me an interview david jacobs

1381
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,280
but i've got some hard questions for you

1382
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,000
oh and david jacobs had uh you know

1383
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,480
sexual issues with one of his patients

1384
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:06,789
but we're not supposed to talk about

1385
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,240
that we're not supposed to talk about

1386
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,480
a guy having issues with one of his

1387
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:13,920
alien abductee

1388
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,510
again it means he's less than credible

1389
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,680
to me

1390
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,680
don craig's face i'm a big fan of john

1391
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,280
mack yeah i was a bigger fan

1392
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,040
i'm definitely a bigger fan of john mack

1393
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,119
than i am of david jacobs i think

1394
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,040
david jacobs got some problems not the

1395
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,720
least is which some kind of sexual

1396
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,359
weirdness going on with his so-called

1397
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,480
hypnotic regression patients right and

1398
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:41,280
again uh

1399
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,880
i'm not one to i don't want to

1400
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,880
[\h__\h] all over hypnotic regression

1401
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,040
therapy for sure but

1402
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,960
why do so many of these people only

1403
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,559
remember their alien abduction

1404
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:53,760
experiences

1405
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,880
once they're you know undergoing

1406
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,319
hypnosis

1407
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,400
and it's usually with somebody like

1408
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,760
david jacobs who

1409
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,440
has made a full-time living selling

1410
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,000
alien [\h__\h] for 25 years

1411
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:07,920
suddenly helps them remember their alien

1412
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,270
uh pseudolookian shout out says the ufo

1413
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,960
community was the closest bob could get

1414
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,720
to be seen as a scientist something he

1415
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:24,000
just wasn't meant to be

1416
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,680
irl yeah he's not a scientist

1417
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,520
he's definitely not a scientist is he a

1418
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,520
science geek sure i'll give him that but

1419
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,599
so has i grown up i don't model rockets

1420
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:35,760
and robots doesn't make me a scientist

1421
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,069
and victor you know when i spoke to mike

1422
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,760
rogers i thought speaking to him the

1423
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,440
inflections of his voice would give away

1424
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,000
the story is false but i never got that

1425
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,440
not saying it was true but it was

1426
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:03,200
interesting yeah and again it's

1427
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,000
wishy-washy

1428
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:06,079
though can we get a definitive answer

1429
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,040
here

1430
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,720
i remember mine ever since it happened

1431
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,640
but it's also a very small story

1432
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,480
yeah and near as i could tell bailey

1433
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,079
stoner you haven't tried to make a

1434
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:16,000
full-time living out of your story for

1435
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,880
the past

1436
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,359
couple decades like some of these people

1437
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:21,040
it's always suspect to me

1438
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,829
yeah and marcinio manderas here yaya

1439
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:30,160
roman x telling kitty porn i'm not sure

1440
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,200
that he was selling

1441
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,079
kitty porn stan romanek but he

1442
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,760
definitely was in possession of kitty

1443
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:37,760
porn and of course he said that the

1444
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:40,000
government planted it there

1445
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,760
because he was getting too close to the

1446
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,079
truth about aliens right he's in prison

1447
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,319
right now i believe

1448
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,359
uh oh i did not know that renee says my

1449
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:50,880
mom knew travis before

1450
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,470
that's interesting

1451
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,470
everyone is bailing well it is uh you

1452
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,000
know one o'clock in the morning so i

1453
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:04,880
don't blame people who have to go

1454
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,670
jacobs gets pissed at how small his

1455
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,520
crowds are a lot

1456
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,839
yeah he's not a very good speaker too i

1457
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,680
have to say like i've listened to a

1458
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,280
bunch of his interviews

1459
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,359
and he just repeats the same garbage

1460
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:22,880
over and over and over again for

1461
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,280
years it's like if you listen to an

1462
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:27,040
interview of him from 10 years ago you

1463
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,799
don't need to listen to an interview

1464
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,720
of him from last week because they're

1465
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,559
virtually the same interview

1466
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:34,480
and it's by my book by my book by my

1467
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:37,280
book the whole time he pitches his book

1468
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,920
while he's

1469
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,000
being interviewed it's kind of

1470
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,559
embarrassing to watch a grown man

1471
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:44,640
so anxious to sell books that he has to

1472
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,000
keep reminding

1473
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,240
the interviewer to mention his books or

1474
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:50,000
where people can find his books and this

1475
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,670
don craig's face dan romanek is guilty i

1476
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:57,440
think so at least yeah i

1477
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,789
bailey stoner says he's kind of a dick

1478
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:04,480
to everyone yeah i

1479
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,640
i've never interacted with him so i uh

1480
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,880
i don't know but i can you know reach

1481
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,319
out to him and try to get an interview

1482
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,839
again

1483
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,760
you know it is what it is and as far as

1484
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,680
this situation with travis walton

1485
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:20,480
i think uh in the next few weeks we'll

1486
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,200
probably hear

1487
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,359
more from mr mike rogers because now

1488
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,960
he's suddenly doing interviews

1489
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,200
where he's saying i'm not supporting the

1490
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:28,880
story anymore

1491
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,319
right uh and i just find it interesting

1492
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,079
that he suddenly decides to not

1493
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,319
support the story anymore once it gets

1494
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,559
cut out of the new movie deal

1495
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,480
i don't think that's a coincidence and

1496
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:42,079
again that's my opinion in my

1497
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:43,520
speculation

1498
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,559
this mr rogers uh not that mr rogers

1499
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,920
this mr rogers

1500
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,920
has made a great deal of money i suppose

1501
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,520
supporting the story right

1502
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,520
and even written a few books about ufos

1503
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:55,280
and stuff himself

1504
01:02:02,549 --> 01:01:59,119
um so it is what it is

1505
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:02,559
a long time travis walton

1506
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,160
uh long time travis walton supporter

1507
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,559
of the story the guy driving the vehicle

1508
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:09,920
the truck at the time and

1509
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,799
and the head of the locking company i

1510
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,960
suppose the boss mike heston rogers

1511
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,280
recanting his story

1512
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,119
he hereby gives notice that he is no

1513
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:21,359
longer considered to be a witness

1514
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,799
to travis c walton's supposed abduction

1515
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,799
uh and that's the headline here really

1516
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,960
is that somebody who's been

1517
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:30,480
you know supporting his story for

1518
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:33,280
decades is suddenly no longer supporting

1519
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,000
his story

1520
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,160
and again i think it's this is money

1521
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:38,160
related travis you gotta give that guy a

1522
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,880
call

1523
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,960
get his money right man get in the

1524
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,880
damage control mode how much it's gonna

1525
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:43,920
cost you

1526
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,319
to keep selling books to keep making

1527
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:48,559
movies right how many documentaries have

1528
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,880
you

1529
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,799
been paid to be in how many ufo

1530
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:52,319
conferences have you been paid to tell

1531
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:53,359
your story

1532
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,599
right how much money does travis walton

1533
01:03:01,870 --> 01:02:59,839
need to make from this story

1534
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,880
uh because since it looks like since

1535
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,119
1978

1536
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:05,359
uh you know i looked at his conference

1537
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,559
appearances

1538
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,119
once and i pretty much determined from

1539
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:10,799
his conference appearances

1540
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,280
uh and this is of course pre-coveted

1541
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,440
that he can't have a real job

1542
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:17,680
not with the travel that he needs to do

1543
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,520
to be at all the conferences that he was

1544
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,520
at for this stretch i checked on

1545
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,400
so to me that means that selling his

1546
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,720
story about being abducted by aliens

1547
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,200
is or was at least for a time his

1548
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:31,680
full-time job

1549
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,390
yeah so friends uh you know we're gonna

1550
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,400
wrap this one up here and

1551
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:46,880
call it a night a long day ahead

1552
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,520
tomorrow

1553
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,920
i gotta go uh do a medical thing

1554
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:51,200
tomorrow

1555
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:56,400
uh and uh yeah

1556
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:59,359
so we're gonna we're gonna bounce out of

1557
01:04:02,870 --> 01:03:59,839
here

1558
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:02,880
and call this one a quick one i want to

1559
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,280
thank

1560
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,119
each and every one of you for joining us

1561
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,359
tonight uh especially considering and we

1562
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,640
had a great audience especially

1563
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:10,000
considering the late

1564
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,799
hour that we are now that we now find

1565
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:14,160
ourselves but

1566
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,599
it is what it is these things are going

1567
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:16,880
to happen especially with me at the

1568
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:18,559
mercy of two monkeys

1569
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,349
in the form of my children

1570
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,480
you know i had a uh i had a job once

1571
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,480
where

1572
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:34,000
i would call my wife and say how's the

1573
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,920
monkey and

1574
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:37,839
for like a year my the person that sat

1575
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,720
next to me thought that we had a monkey

1576
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:42,640
he had no idea i was referring to my

1577
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,510
so friends i want to thank each and

1578
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,599
every one of you for joining us

1579
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,280
always glad when there's an audience and

1580
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,119
i want to and i'm so glad that tonight

1581
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,280
you could be a part of mine

1582
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:59,440
please do there's two ways to help us

1583
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,880
with the show

1584
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,960
please like comment and subscribe and

1585
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,480
send some of our video links to your

1586
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,480
friends please share our channel link on

1587
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,079
your social media

1588
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,720
and ask people to subscribe and join us

1589
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:11,440
here

1590
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:14,880
and thank you for helping us grow

1591
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:18,160
and also uh there is

1592
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,720
in our about section uh yeah so please

1593
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,319
do like and share

1594
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,319
in our about section there is links to

1595
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,280
both patreon and a paypal donate button

1596
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,520
i was mentioning on twitter earlier that

1597
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,960
i've been we've been waiting eight or

1598
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,880
nine weeks now for twitter to turn our

1599
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:33,839
monetization

1600
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:36,480
on and then once they do that they're

1601
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:37,119
going to take

1602
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,119
six months or something to send me some

1603
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,880
pin card i've been hearing horror

1604
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:42,720
stories it doesn't appear that will ever

1605
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,960
be monetized here

1606
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,799
and they're removing monetization from

1607
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:48,880
other people's channels i've noticed

1608
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,599
most notably i think cw channel has been

1609
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:53,119
demonetized

1610
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:56,799
most recently yeah

1611
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,230
it really would help if you could help

1612
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,000
become a patreon supporter you get sort

1613
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:05,760
of a backstage pass and get to see

1614
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,920
things before they're made public

1615
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,000
we have this mind hack system which is

1616
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:11,680
like a personal development course it's

1617
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,720
free for patreon supporters

1618
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:16,319
and really i do want to thank all the

1619
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:18,160
patreon the current patreon and paypal

1620
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:20,079
supporters you really do make this show

1621
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,359
possible

1622
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:24,000
um everything the show is at least

1623
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:25,119
self-sufficient

1624
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,160
so what do what do i mean i mean i might

1625
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,839
not really be making any money out of

1626
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:30,880
that but

1627
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,280
if i need something like a microphone or

1628
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,039
a light or

1629
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,680
you know software whatever there's a few

1630
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,440
bucks in there

1631
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,079
from you guys that could help make that

1632
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:44,079
happen for us so i really do appreciate

1633
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:45,359
it

1634
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:52,960
to uh you know at least make the show

1635
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:00,319
self-sufficient one second here

1636
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:03,359
friends so uh as i was saying i always

1637
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,400
forget to do that

1638
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,480
you know please support us pitch i gotta

1639
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:08,079
make a commercial

1640
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,839
um i definitely have to make a

1641
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,720
commercial

1642
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,559
so as i was saying i'm always happy when

1643
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,920
there's an audience especially on a

1644
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:19,599
night like tonight where this is last

1645
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:22,079
minute and we don't have our usual

1646
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,880
time slot that we prefer which is either

1647
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,640
9 or 10 p.m

1648
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:29,039
eastern standard time tonight we started

1649
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,000
at midnight

1650
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,079
a little later and we still had a great

1651
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:34,160
audience always happy when there is a

1652
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,520
great audience and i want to thank you

1653
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:37,520
very much for being a part of mine

1654
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,559
tonight

1655
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,640
until next time friends my name is

1656
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:42,720
stephen cambion

1657
01:08:53,070 --> 01:08:08,829
[Music]

1658
01:09:07,420 --> 01:08:53,080
so

1659
01:09:08,780 --> 01:09:07,430
[Music]